No more revolvers . . .

I have to wonder why GSA even needs to be armed.

I happen to know a GSA employee who spent a significant amount of time on projects on the Mexican border. This involved visiting some pretty remote sites in the desert very near the border. I joked if they issued him body armor, but no security of any kind was provided.
 
If you think these revolvers will reach the public, your dreaming. Remember this is NY land of the melted down.

In 1989 a newly sworn NYPD officer had to buy his own revolver from an approved list. That year the department started an expirament with department owned semi-automatics.

Some, but not all new officers sworn between 1989 and 1994 were provided department owned semis. Those officers could not later elect to carry revolvers. Other officers sworn between 1989 and 1994 had to buy thiet own sidearm, around the end of 89, beginning of 90 a semi joined the approved list.

Officers who purchased thier own sidearm were permitted to carry same after the 1994 elimination of revolvers from the approved list.

The significant part of this is (1) all revolvers carried by NYPD officers are owned by the officer, not the department. (2) any officer with a primary sidearm that is a revolver has 24-28 years of service, probably has a second approved semi and isn't about to sell his revolver.

If I am wrong PM me and we can haggle.
 
I never understand when I am told semi-autos are more powerful than revolvers of similar size. Comperable size firearm, comperable ammo, 38=9, 44=45.



Unless the tacic of grazing fire has been adopted (and it may well have been). Only hits count, so having a P90 you can't hit anything with is silly (and dangerous to bystanders).



What works for the patrollman, is not ideal for a supervisor or a detective, or an undercover officer, once upon a time the B****** 21a was authorized for certain duties.



Oh well, que sera sera.



I’ve never heard anyone say autos are more powerful that revos.

They might be saying they’re the better choice for LEOs, which, despite my love for revolvers, is probably true.
 
In 1989 a newly sworn NYPD officer had to buy his own revolver from an approved list. That year the department started an expirament with department owned semi-automatics.

Some, but not all new officers sworn between 1989 and 1994 were provided department owned semis. Those officers could not later elect to carry revolvers. Other officers sworn between 1989 and 1994 had to buy thiet own sidearm, around the end of 89, beginning of 90 a semi joined the approved list.

Officers who purchased thier own sidearm were permitted to carry same after the 1994 elimination of revolvers from the approved list.

The significant part of this is (1) all revolvers carried by NYPD officers are owned by the officer, not the department. (2) any officer with a primary sidearm that is a revolver has 24-28 years of service, probably has a second approved semi and isn't about to sell his revolver.

If I am wrong PM me and we can haggle.

Yep, we bought our own and the gun belonged to you. When the job started offering free semi autos, guys were selling their revolvers for $100, including the leather and speed loaders. The gunshop near 1 Police Plaza used to give $20 for a Model 10. Then they'd sell them for $100. Man, I wish I bought a dozen.
 
Yep, we bought our own and the gun belonged to you. When the job started offering free semi autos, guys were selling their revolvers for $100, including the leather and speed loaders. The gunshop near 1 Police Plaza used to give $20 for a Model 10. Then they'd sell them for $100. Man, I wish I bought a dozen.

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Marksmanship

The whole point of this discussion, It seems to me, is being overlooked. The skill of marksmanship, is being phased out of our police, and our military's firearms training. First of all, It costs less to buy firearms made of soy beans, and horse's hooves. Although, when has one of the plastic, high capacity water pistol type pistols been seen, being used in a shooting match involving marksmanship? It almost seems like the object of today's plastic spray guns is to scare the "Bejaybirds" out of the offending villains with plenty of noise, without harming them. The ultimate goal being to provide our Cops, and military, with rocks, wet noodles, or some other equally inefficient weapon to defend themselves with, and ultimately, us. Just my opinion.
Chubbo
 
I think the "Finest Message" has something to do with the phrase "New York's Finest," an admiring label given to the NYPD. I'm actually surprised that the NYPD was still allowed to carry revolvers up til now. Thought they would've been completely phased out.

So this actually is an end of an era. To me, any S&W gun collection should have a NYPD revolver, regardless of condition. I'm guessing the ones that are sold off to the public will go for a premium.

God Bless the NYPD. I truly wish them the best with their new upgraded weapons.
 
Finest Message

You are correct, Sir.

A "Finest" Message is typically either a general order or some announcement affecting personnel in some way.

NYPD = New York's Finest
NYFD = New York's Bravest
NYCD = New York's Boldest
etc.





I think the "Finest Message" has something to do with the phrase "New York's Finest," an admiring label given to the NYPD. I'm actually surprised that the NYPD was still allowed to carry revolvers up til now. Thought they would've been completely phased out.

So this actually is an end of an era. To me, any S&W gun collection should have a NYPD revolver, regardless of condition. I'm guessing the ones that are sold off to the public will go for a premium.

God Bless the NYPD. I truly wish them the best with their new upgraded weapons.
 
Yes. "FINEST" is the name of a department network system here. Is that what was read as a mistake? What other message might it have been, I wonder?
Yes, an earlier post seemed to think it was a typo.

Does anyone know what sort of markings NYPD revolvers have on them? Rollmarks?
 
I completely agree.. I don't understand making a cop carry a Glock with a 12lb trigger and no real choices for off duty carry..
 
That's pretty upsetting.. Smith didn't hold up in the 10K round test. I have one full size 9mm and two Shields. There is no way I'll shoot that many rounds through either of them as a civilian. I'm going to use the full size for range shooting. Probably put an APEX duty carry trigger in it in case I decide to carry it once in awhile..Shield is easy to carry but so are my J frames..
 
The whole point of this discussion, It seems to me, is being overlooked. The skill of marksmanship, is being phased out of our police, and our military's firearms training.

:rolleyes:

It used to be that a revolver was useful because the automatics of the day either (a) sucked, (b) weren't reliable out of the box, or (c) fired crappy ammunition.

The answer to A and B was to issue revolvers until automatics sucked slightly less. The answer to C was, ostensibly, the .357 and later the .41 Magnum--but there were some valid objections to both cartridges. Once expanding ammunition and the reliability of it (feeding, in other words) improved, there was no longer much of a need to carry a Magnum. And with the advent of S&W DA/SA and DAO automatics, holdouts could no longer claim that automatics were any less safe than a DA revolver (a hogwash argument anyway).

So on the one hand, you've a K-frame .38 that holds six shots. On the other, a DA wundernine that holds 15+1, and could be reloaded in a fraction of the time with less skill. And eventually, you'd have striker-fired plastic pistols that not only held a whole mess of cartridges, but also had no external moving parts. You could make an argument that these are more reliable than a revolver.

Marksmanship has nothing to do with it. The advantages revolvers had over automatics have been minimized.

If you want to claim today's cops can't shoot--and really, a great many were just as miserable 60 years ago, you just heard less about it--then blame training and demographics. Training because the move has been away from precision shooting at longer distances on bullseye targets, and towards action-pistol speed and larger silhouette targets.

Demographics because of statistics. More shootings are going to occur where there are more people, because there's more people and also more crime. In the places where there are more people, less people shoot, because gun laws are incredibly restrictive in those municipalities and because urban dwellers are less likely to be gun owners, statistically. And it's hard as hell to find a place go and practice in the city.

So yeah, funny, ha-ha, some poor cop fired eight shots and only hit the guy once. But let's be glad said cop was out there to begin with, and managed to prevail on our behalf despite being saddled with the idiots we elected to oversee him.

As to the military, well, the pistol doesn't qualify as a weapon. For the people that do things, it ranks just above knives. For everybody else, it's a miserable compromise. Some folks who drive trucks and get shot at would be better off with a PDW, and instead have something that's not useful. The folks that decided a big ol' handgun was best would really be better off with a little plastic .32ACP--for them, the pistol is merely a mark of rank--and instead have to lug around a fullsize auto.

So basically, when it comes to handguns, don't get the DoD involved. They cover the tanks and planes and (sometimes) the rifles pretty well, everything else is more or less an afterthought.

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As to the triggers, I almost feel bad. Whoever's in charge of that can't un-do the 12-pound trigger decision. The first time some dingbat tags a citizen with a stray shot, or some other blessed soul shoots himself in the foot, it's gonna be because that negligent and reckless maniac said 12-pound triggers were unnecessary!
 
Psychological Effect is what it is called .I asked my dad onc why the police carried pump shot guns rather than automatics in their cars ( yes it was a long time ago) he said psychological effect ,the bad first of all sees that shotgun he has the oportunity to stop his action,second he hears that round being chambered ( and bad guys know that sound and what it means) he has yet another chance to change his behavior .The idea is to make sure the bad guy knows or at least thinks this officer isn't someone to be fooled with. Ok it the same with his side arm . The bad guys today see an office with a revolver they do not ake him a serious as the same officer carrying a Glock and maybe a coupl of high capacity magazines .The idea is to make the officer or officers look so well armed that said bad guy doesn't even think about gun fighting much less actualy trying said officer.Blame it on TV or movies or what ever you want to .Now I know that an officer carrying a 357 magnum who is very competent would be extremely dangerous in a gunfight but I'm not a bad guy who's firearms exposure comes from the latest action flick o some video game .Its all about psychological effect .To the average bad guy want to be they see that office with a automatic an thnk this is a serious dude .The idea is to not have to shoot or even draw you want the bad guy or girl to see that officer and to not even think about resisting .Its a cultural thing it takes more potential fire power today to scare bad guys .For every "shoot out with the police" you see on television there are hundreds maybe thousands of police interactions that end peacefully just because of the psychological effect .So now you have it ,it's not about being an excellent marksman or the difference in "stopping" power ect it's about intimidating that bad guy so he or she knows it's no use in fighting .Psychological effect .
 
Yes, an earlier post seemed to think it was a typo.

Does anyone know what sort of markings NYPD revolvers have on them? Rollmarks?

The blued spur hammer Model 10 and Service Six had no identifying markings. Way back, like in the 40’s and maybe 50’s, some guys had their name or shield number on the backstrap, but I think that was voluntary.

The spurless hammer DAO revolvers were marked differently by the factory due to changes to the weapon the department demanded. The Model 64 had an NY-1 stamped below the model number. The Ruger Service Six has some kind of a star stamped on it, and the Ruger GP100 and SP101 were renamed and stamped the GPNY and the SPNY.
 

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